four blokes got in a 12 foot boat today in colwyn bay went 200 metres of the pier sat there for 2 hours and then capsized the thing luckly two other boats had seen it happen and went and picked them up , i was watching them launch and now know why peeps get in trouble, this lot when they was born should have been put in the bin and the afterbirth kept , it would have had more idea........http://www.llandudnolifeboat.org.uk/page68.html